Micky Ė Guide of Leslie Flint
Speaks about Heaven, Hell,
Man and the Spirit World
It doesnít matter who you are you create your own environment, and no one can escape from themselves, no one can save you. All this religious business about being saved and all the rest of it. Itís something thatís in the innermost mind, a thought creation which temporarily may exist for them. Thatís why you get some people who go into that sort of environment and groups of people, because of their thought forces in regard to their religiously strong information, and they temporarily, before those thoughts can call time; (although time doesnít exist in the same way as your time does), and they live together as a community, and youíve got these groups of people who really believe that they are going to be resurrected you know, and that there coming back on earth in the physical body, and while they held on to that vast idea, they will retain that thought and they may well live in their own community very happy. Thereís another thing, what your happiness consists off, is according to your outlook and your thoughts, over here all life is creative; It is in your world to an extent.
Why do you have wars? Man creates them. People always say Ďwhy does God permit this?í he lets you get on with it. You see, Gods got nothing to do with it, man creates his own happiness or unhappiness and it may be the unhappiness thatís come into your life, is created by people around and about you. Itís not necessarily or your doing, but everyone is an individual and the vibrations that they begin to feel can sometimes be disruptive.
You suffer from yourselves, because of your attitudes and your way of thinking. You create all the unhappiness and the misery as it enters your world, even disease, you know. I could go into depth on that, all the terrible things that happen in your world, in some shape or form, invariably are brought about by man. Of course there are natural things, like earth quakes and things, which are not mans creation, but then again he goes on disturbing nature. Look at all the rubbish you have put into the Heavens, into the sky and into the ground and in the sea.
Of course mans going on to reap for all that a very unhappy future. I donít understand why people donít see this, that they are themselves the ones that create the havoc and the unhappiness and the miseries, also of course they should think about happiness and joy if they go about things in the right way, man makes his own Heaven and Hell.
It goes ahead, It goes a long way ahead, you see, what you donít realize is that nothingís static, everything is change, everything is movement, no one stays still mentally of spiritually or physically for that matter, when on earth, the same, life is all change, it has to be, thereís no such thing as being static. You see, all life is continuous, your body for instance when on earth is changing every second in a way, If only you could realize that, life is movement, and excitement, and change, and thrills.
Oh I wish I could explain it. When I first came here, I couldnít make head or tale of it, (laughs) I couldnít really, (still laughing) I thought well that bloody funny, you know. Whatís that lad doing down there, well it was me you see, I didnít realize what had happened, Ďcoarse it hit me, then I suddenly thought thatís funny, itís ever so odd. I suppose for some people when they see themselves for the first time around outside the body. Then I realised that people were making a lot of fuss, you know, then of course my Mum and Dad went round the bend, Mum did, she always put on a good show. You canít help but laugh, when you look back on it.
You know, that being dead is the most wonderful exciting business, you know, from the moment you start, you realise and people come to look after you and help you and encourage you, and of course it pays you. Youíll get someone who comes over, who really quite frankly, theyíre so bewildered, and they sometimes think they are in a dream, they donít want to wake up, they donít even realise that they have kicked the bucket. Oh! Itís ever so good, no one need fear it you know, its something to look forward to, no one need worry about dying, itís a lovely, lovely thing.
Because of the experience of being in a hospital, and all that and operations is nasty, people dread that part of it obviously, but once your out of the body, Ohhhh, Iíll bore you, youíre as light as a feather, and you can go here and go there. You can see people and what people are up to; youíll have a few shocks of course, people you thought was such nice people on the surface you realise that their bloody awful, underneath, you know.
Anyone who is deeply interested in the things of spirit, and theyíve lost someone physically that is, that they worship and love and has meant life itself to them, and they think ĎOh dear, I wish I could really believeí, you know, Ďthat there is a life after death and that I will meet my dear so and soí. Perhaps they are sitting rather morbid and alone and depressed, then all of sudden the bloody fishbowl floats up in the air, and the fish are going mad, you see, and that makes them think, ĎOh, whatís that? You know, it must be psychic you see, it gives them some strength, donít it? There must be something for that to happen, you know. You see, we do try and do silly things, I mean you would be surprised. I mean we do all sorts of odd bits and pieces. We move objects on shelves sometimes, or take flowers out of their vases, to give them an idea that weíve been there. If itís possible to do anything simple like that, we do it. A lot depends on circumstances, but you see everybodyís searching, there not necessarily all searching in the same way, they are all wanting something. Invariably they want conviction, invariably they want comfort, they want upliftment, they want to know that death is not the end, and that eventually they are going to be with their loved ones again and thatís the thing, and the most important thing of the lot. Itís not until you have lost someone on your side that you really begin to fully appreciate it.
But thatís something about people, you take each other for granted, you love them just the same and you appreciate everything they say and do. Sometimes you have a bit of a tiff or a misunderstanding then you have regrets. But looking back, people must realise that thereís so much that they might have done that they didnít do, and thereís so many things when you first come here. You think, Oh dear, I might have said so and so or I might have done so and so, why did I do that? People have regrets and if you could realise, itís not the easiest thing to be nice and kind and considerate and helpful and uplifting to people while youíve got them, and your making use of them in a way. You canít help laughing, but human nature is a funny thing altogether, often the one you love most is the one you hurt most, you donít always do it intentionally, obviously, and when you come here you look back and itís as if your whole life in a way goes before you. Thatís what they say about people who are drowning, that they have this sort of vision if you like, of what their life was. Well Iím not saying that is exactly like that, but the thing is, here you have a golden opportunity while you are still in your world, to do the things of the spirit while yet in the flesh, and you can become a much warmer, kinder, understanding person than you actually are or have been.
You have got a golden opportunity, I mean, If you believe as we hope you believe, with the things we tell you about and try to help you with, if it doesnít make you a nicer, kinder and warmer person, and a more considerate person, then we havenít done our job. But you see ninety percent of the people, I shouldnít say this but its true, old Les is right really, a lot of the people going into the spiritualist churches, Iím not saying that they havenít been convinced about life after death, but theyíve not really changed in themselves. They are still bitchy, I mean, you go into any spiritualist church, and Iíve been in few believe me, Iíve been there standing waving my hands, trying to attract the mediums attention, being completely ignored, and I think, well I donít know, she says she clairvoyant and she canít see bugger all, you know, and I get fed up.
The point is, you get all this in the churches donít you, you get people who have a go at each other, committeeís and boards, I know I shouldnít say it but itís true, we are all in this work together, doing the work of God, doing the work of the Spirit, and we should all be trying desperately to be a kinder, warmer and more considerate. Itís not the easiest thing, sometimes somebody irritates or annoys you and you feel ďOh GodĒ, you know, but the point is you have got to put yourself behind you. You know, a lot of people canít do that, and they want to be the king pin, or they want to be on the platform, and they are saying to themselves, ďOh, I can do better than what sheís doingĒ and they probably could anyway, but the point is you have got to make allowances, no oneís perfect, and weíre all striving for something, and we donít quite know what it is were striving for. In any case, everyone would be uncomfortable in the perfect world, Iím not in a perfect world, and Iíve never met anyone over here who would say that they are in a perfect world. We are in different states of being according to our evolution and our development, and weíre happy in that environment, because that the environment to which we have achieved over a period of what you call time, although we donít see time as you understand it. Everything is a matter of state of mind, I donít know, sometimes I come down and I look into your world and I think ďOh I donít knowĒ.
We do the best as best we can, we try to help people, we try to comfort them, we try to give them insight into the things that really matter. And a lot of those people, well they do the best they can, perhaps I shouldnít say it, but they could do a lot better. You know itís funny, I could say, but I better not, But you know youíve got a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful truth and it worries me that sometimes you donít appreciate it or something like that, they just take it for granted. I mean, they go along and they do the blessings and cheers them up, gives them a bit of comfort for a day or two and then something goes wrong somewhere, perhaps the bloody roller blind collapse or something, you know, they get fed up and annoyed. You canít help me laughing though, thereís all this weakness and all the things that go on, thereís a lot thatÖ, I get a giggle sometimes, when I come down here and I see whatís going on through people I know. And I do visit people from time to time and they get all worked up and all tense, and sometimes itís so silly, I know they canít help it probably, If only theyíd realise that although the things they are worried or concerned about are important because they are still in the material world, and they have to be considered, itís not the be all and the end all. When you come here and you look back, and you see yourself as you really were, all the stupidities and all the things that went on that caused irritation and frustration, and sometimes thatís led you to behave very badly to someone you love, Itís all very sad in that respect.
But everyone has a sort of, Well I donít know, if only you could see it the way we see it, if each day you tried to become a little better, try to do things better than you did the previous day, with a little more thought and concern about other people rather than yourself. You see a lot of people are in love with themselves, and thatís a terrible thing, everyone should be anxious to better yourselves and improve in the material, spiritual and psychic sense yes, but if you are going to be in love with yourself, and a lot of people are, they would never admit and perhaps even realise it, but their main concern is whatís in it for me, and what am I going to get out of it and is it going to be worth my while. Thatís not an attitude to have in life, itís what you can do and what you can achieve in life, not just for self but for others and to give yourself in loving service to others and forget yourself. Thatís when you begin to grow mentally and spiritually.
Here endeth!!! Isnít it funny, even the tiniest little cottage can have everything and you can be in a mansion have nothing, Iíve found more love, more harmony, more beauty, more comfort with some people who love in a little tiny miserable place. It shines from within themselves. Iíve been to places where, Oh blimey, cost millions, theyíre as miserable as I donít know what, and there not nice people either. A lot to learn!
Going round, playing harps, singing hymns. They donít realise weíre real people, we have progressed, we have developed, we have opened up our consciousness, and have evolved and become more spiritually aware. Like me, I came here was I was what elevenish? And Iíve grown up over here. When I come back to you lot, I revert mentally, well I hope I donít, well I revert back to my old self, more or less as you would see me if you could see me. But I have leant a great deal, I may talk common, but I can talk posh too. I feel itís best to be as I am and how you expect me to be. You know people have got no idea, they think that you get to the other side and you suddenly become holier than thou, and you run around with a harp and play it with all the rest singing hymns, who would want eternal life singing hymns and playing harps? Rather be dead and know nothing.
No itís all crazy, actually when you analyze all these different religions, different beliefs, yet fundamentally the same truth is there, because, you canít eradicate, as you call it, what is reality, but man has created this sort of religious aspect of things which has little or nothing to do with the truth. If there is no life after death, whatís the point of religion? Then you get those barmy people, you know, who really are narrow minded and they think everyone is going to hell and they are the only oneís going to be saved, theyíre all going to be carried up to the clouds, Gawd stone the crows! Old age is thing thatís purely material, when you get rid of the old chrysalis the butterfly comes out, youíd be surprised, you see some of these poor old things on your side, looking like I donít know what, being wheeled around, poor old things, aches and pains, and moaning and groaning, and their scared stiff of kicking the bucket Theyíre holding on to anybody they can hold on too, pushing them like mad. They wonít let themselves be released in some cases, if only theyíd realise how much better off it would be, I mean I can understand that there are some people who are scared stiff of dying. I think itís all those horror films you have and that, gives people the wrong ideas. Really, if it wasnít sad, sometimes itís funny.
There are these people who really were something on your side as the world sees it, and they were full of themselves, how important they were, indeed some of them thought the world wouldnít go on without them, bloody hell, you should see them over here, cooo! Theyíve had to learn to change, Iíll tell you.
You know people make me laugh, people go to spook meetings, an spiritualist meeting and all that and they think itís all going to be very religious, and they sing their hymns and try to outdo one another by singing higher or lower whatever, and they think that as a medium, (you canít help laughing,) they think it should all be on a high spiritual level, no oneís saying it shouldnít be, but what they donít realise is, that if you want to do the work of the spirit, then you do that work the best you can under the prevailing circumstances and conditions, which are presented by the people who are there, theyíre the ones who supply the atmosphere, theyíre the ones who supply the conditions and to some extent supply the power.
But you see, you mustnít get this idea that our world consists of people who are very highly and mentally spiritually evolved. Of course they are on the higher levels, the higher plains, and you donít have to be necessarily on the very low plain to be normal as the world understands it, be as you were when on earth. I mean, as we come down into your environment so does, to some extent, we take on temporarily your conditions, your aspect of things, and then in consequence sometimes, and sometimes itís done for evidential reasons, we revert to the old self. Iíve heard people say, Ďhe doesnít half use bad language at timesí, whatís wrong with that? You read the Bible, thereís more filth in the Bible than any other book ever written.
Alright; ĎBleediní you cut yourself and you bleed, but somebody once said, ĎOhh, that boy, he uses bad words like Bleediní, whatís wrong with that? The time to worry is when you donít bleed. You get some of these people; letís face it, their well meaning and their kind, and all the rest of it, and they think that the spirit world should be very, very holy, and that we should all be talking to each other in a very spiritual language, and we should all be every now and then bursting out with song, you know, singing ĎStand Up, Stand Upí or whatever, It would be boring.
We are all people of different levels, and we are all searching for greater Realization and aspiration, and we enter into different environments according to our evolution or development, and there are some of us near the earth who have to work with you lot anyway, and we pick up from you an all. People have said to me, you talk of certain things that werenít existing in your day when you were on earth, well of course not, I pick them up from you lot. He he, if you get attached to someone, like old Les, the point is, I take a lot from him and he takes a lot from me, and thatís what good mediumshipís all about. Thatís another thing that people donít realise because mediumship is being in tune and in touch with the instrument that you use. Obviously if you are that close in encounter you will take from the medium certain things or the people who sit with the medium, my vocabulary, good, bad and indifferent is on different levels according to the people I have to be with. Whereas you lot, I mean if someone comes and as a sitting and swears like a trooper, doesnít mean to say that Iíve got to swear like a trooper, but it registers in the condition of the atmosphere. People have got funny ideas, they think that because you kick the bucket, you suddenly become very angelic, well how boring weíd all be if we were all that angelic. We wouldnít want to be here, weíd want to be somewhere else. The point is there are different levels according to oneís evolution and consciousness and, people have got funny ideas, they really have about us, weíre real people, weíre not conjured up and made from imaginary things